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Comment by William Jack Jordan on December 5, 2012 at 11:44 I have a different POV re the original diagram than the op,
Using the vacumn cleaner example,
A = start of thinking process (How to make money selling cleaners?)
B = end result (making the most money selling cleaners)
A->B represents the current thinking (the most explored route)
A->C is an undiscovered connection.
B->PO generates C
A->C->B is logical in hindsight and represents a new viable connection.
The original diagram makes perfect sense to me, if you consider the end result is the same.
It makes more sense if you think of A->B as being made of steps
A->A1->A2->A3->B etc. and there are alternative known routes.
The second diagram is useful when a PO leads to a *different* conclusion.
Comment by Gijs van Beeck Calkoen on July 15, 2011 at 12:13 Luis,
Thanks for mapping out some traits of logical reasoning, each of them worth to challenge!
For now I would suggest to leave that on a Virtual Parking, and to focus on `how people reason logically to the same conclusion, by different ways`. F.e. it is possible to reason that the earth is spherical and spins around the sun, without have seen it happen. It is possible to put forward logical reasons for the existence of a physical particle, long before scientists are able to demonstrate their existence. Could it be that Arabic or Chinese scientist have another reasoning system yet arrive at the same conclusion?
We have now three leads for further exploration:
1. The article you sent addresses the problems non-western students encounter when they have to write essays. He identifies some patterns in how in aan essay the authors come to a conclusion.
The hyPOthesis here is that writing reflects thinking. Notwithstanding differences in reasoning humans can come to the same conclusion.
2. Some languages, as Arabic, write and read from right to left. As such, the right part of the brain is engaged which has different properties than the left brain, which is used by writers/speakers
in English.
The hyPOthesis is that right to left writers/readers can come to the same conclusion as left-to-right readeres/writers, notwithstanding they uses different kind of logic (linear versus holistic)
3. There are languages which use images as the Chinese do. Image thinking is mainly located in the right brain.
Comment by Gijs van Beeck Calkoen on July 15, 2011 at 9:22 I found a text about Check-list Current Thinking, see page 3
I will soon comment on your interesting posting
Comment by Gijs van Beeck Calkoen on July 14, 2011 at 14:21
Comment by Gijs van Beeck Calkoen on July 14, 2011 at 14:20 I did some thinking about logical reasoning with help of the Check list Current Thinking.
It is assumed that the ability of critical thinking is about personal traits, as f.i. openness and accuracy. It is more or less naturally inborn but could be implicitly developed by -mainly academic- education. If it is formally taught as some law faculties do, mathematical logic theory is used.
The dominant idea behind logical reasoning is that the process is the same for any human, that the process is basically linear -straight forward- and physically based in the brain.
The ability of logical reasoning - independent thinking from administrators, experts, journalists, etc- is highly valued in democratic societies.
Speculations has to be avoided at all times.
Logical reasoning is limited to proving a statement to be true or false. It does not produce alternatives or new ideas and concepts.
Logical reasoning is about an issue and an opinion or statement about that issue, supported by reasons for and against. The reasons must be proven by facts. Essential in logical reasoning is to be explicit about factual and normative (value based) assumptions.
A statement is either true or untrue. It is not possible that a statement or conclusion is a little bit true or untrue. Logical reasoning is the opposite of sophism.
Any additions?
Next I will challenge the concept of logic, by using some techniques of movement on the PO 'as an effect of the writing system that is used (Chinese, Arabic, Western) different brain areas are involved, what could be cause different ways of making sense or meaning' .
Comment by Gijs van Beeck Calkoen on July 11, 2011 at 11:06 Luis wrote `I, being somewhat of a collector of such 'stuff' due to my work in Intercultural Communication and Cross-Cultural Education, have added two new elements to the mix."
Your `stuff`` could be very interested. It is known that it is very difficult for humans to transfer knowledge from one domain to another. I am not sure that experts on "logic" (philosophers, lawyers, mathematicians?) are introduced to the domain of Communication and Cross -Cultural Education. (Once I facilitated a creative thinking session with shipbuilders how to lift a sunk ship. The only way they could think of was hoisting, and that by attaching a cable mechanically. They were unable to envisage a solution with electromagnets. Once they did, a quick Google search learned that heavy electromagnets are used in the waste industry for separation of metals).
Luis" he reason for his being that Mr. Calkoen has specifically addressed an interest in how the 'logic' is formed`.
To be more precise, I am (at this moment) not so much interested in how logic is formed as a result of values or perceptions.
I am interested in the POssibility that, as an effect of the writing system that is used (Chinese, Arabic, Western) different brain areas are used, what could be cause different ways of making sense or meaning.
Comment by Gijs van Beeck Calkoen on July 8, 2011 at 14:19 Edgaro, I am interested in the hyPOthesis that the way people prove what is true or untrue (what we call logic) could be different in different cultures. So, I have a general interest in the topic.
I have some reasons.
Comment by Asa Jomard on July 7, 2011 at 9:08
Comment by Gijs van Beeck Calkoen on July 7, 2011 at 8:36
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